"Thirty years ago you'd have been lucky to have got a hundred people along here," one chap said as the several thousand who turned out for the Napier Dawn Service began to quietly disperse.
"And there wouldn't have been any kids," his mate chipped in.
Yesterday you could have counted the kids alone in the hundreds.
One of those teenagers became instantly memorable for me as upon the back of his cap (which was facing forwards of course) was a poppy.
In a classic case of never judge a book by its cover, they did not look like the type who would roll out of bed at 5.30am to head to town to see the Dawn Parade.